This content was originally created for audio. Or like backstage at Coachella. – Pastor Brian Houston. Uruguay, Ministries But, you know what happened was that Frank was allowed to quietly resign. It’s like a legal brief written by someone who loves pop music. The post title in full was, “God is a Capitalist: An introduction to Hillsong, the Evangelical Christian Church Running Pop.”. Hillsong Sunshine Coast South, Sunshine Coast, Queensland. And you really do feel like it's a second family. But you know for anybody who's willing to do the homework, it doesn't take that long to see that underneath it, there's a problematic ideology or is ultraconservative and just, you have to be upfront about that. Colour Conference Steve West is more blunt about where Hillsong's appeal lies: "Moral certainty, community, a sense of identity. So instead what a lot of evangelical preachers do, and what Hillsong also does, is that they preach a kind of prosperity gospel. Yes. Ben: One that involves pedophilia, and a history of homophobia and religious conservatism that might surprise the people getting drawn to Hillsong. The venue has a capacity of 3,300. Brett: You know, "you're my golden boy and you're special to me," and all these sort of things, which as an adult now I look back and it makes me want to vomit. Amory: Here in the US earlier this year, actor Ellen Page called for another person to do the same, for similar reasons. The Vision Curly hair. Are you a “Belieber?”. Brandy Zadrozny: My name's Brandy Zadrozny. But at the same time that sounded totally plausible to me. How was your Hillsong experience different from that? The needless and tragic death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, and the much deeper systemic issues towards African American people that his death has highlighted, must lead to radical and permanent change. In the middle of November 2019, as Australia burns with biblical infernos, a couple of thousand Pentecostal men are assembling in the southern suburbs of Brisbane to reach for salvation from loneliness and sin. And that really is only because of the music and maybe the celebrity chasing that would be seen as worldly, secular. Carl Lentz from New York City. In the last three decades that church has built a global reach. Hillsong Church's popularity in Christian praise and worship music stems from the inauguration of the Hillsong Conference in 1986 and the first publication of choruses written by Hills CLC members, especially Darlene Zschech. Sebastian wasn’t a Hillsong parishioner, he was a member of another Pentecostal church that would eventually be subsumed by Hillsong as a quote, “Hillsong Family Church.”. Amory: Kiki put her palms together, raised those prayer-like hands above her head and dove in to Hillsong’s history, which actually goes back decades. Brandy: So in 2014, Australia called a sort of royal commission to look into the testimony of nine boys who said that Frank Houston had abused them, had sexually molested them. Ben: And Lentz says God actually hated this group because this group in the Bible is trying to kind of accommodate the culture of its time instead of changing that culture. And then he said that, you know, several years later his mother changed her mind. Because it’s a church, Hillsong as an organization doesn’t have to abide by the same rules of taxation and financial disclosure as other businesses. Sam and Cheryl Fagan are the Campus Pastors of Hillsong Inner West. So they have got that part down. We want to walk alongside people when the days are glorious and the nights are bleak, as well as everything in between. We believe one of the most important steps you can take to mature in your faith is finding a place where God has called you to serve. Media outlets like ABC News have developed a favorite phrase... ABC News: And the pastor is a hipster heartthrob…, Kiki: You can pull up their Instagrams. We are real people, in pursuit of a real God, who has real answers. Pretty genius. He publicly parted ways. United Kingdom, Latin America They sold, you know, millions of dollars worth of CDs and expanded expanded expanded. A lot of this played out on Twitter, but Page also made comments about Hillsong’s treatment of gay people on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert: Ellen Page: I’m lucky to have the time and the privilege to say this. Ben: That is Scott Morrison, the new Prime Minister of Australia, speaking to 21,000 Hillsong believers in Sydney at the opening of this year’s conference. Hillsong is an Australian megachurch famous for its hipster vibe, multi-platinum house band, and connections to celebrities like Justin Bieber, Chris Pratt, and Kevin Durant. Listen to full message from Pastor @brianchouston now on youtube.com/hillsong 5 Lord You're still there _________________ I have wrestled And I have trembled toward surrender Chased my heart adrift And drifted home again Plundered blessing Till I've been desperate to find redemption And every time I turn around Lord You're still there Brandy: So I was personally interested in Hillsong. Kiki: And often these accounts will kind of pop up out of nowhere and they'll have no followers. Ben Brock Johnson: Amory, we both know why we’re here...to do our jobs. Partly because the church has been associated with a bunch of celebrities, from Chris Pratt to Kylie and Kendall Jenner, Bono, NBA stars Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. NEWS SOURCE: Turning Point PR August 12, 2014. Placing value upon everyday women of all ages, background and culture. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, which has a very restrictive evangelical religion and it has a lot in common with Hillsong. And we’ll get to that. That’s a big promise. Ben: Brandy, thank you so much for talking to us about this story. Hillsong College We’ve never done that, Justin’s never stepped foot on stage. The Beebs. Hillsong’s like fast food for your religious needs and I don't think it's going anywhere. Hillsong doesn’t seem to be slowing down. Ben: And partly because of the church’s crazy-popular music, which has reached far beyond the usual Christian music charts and moved into the regular pop music mainstream. In addition to asserting that Hillsong is not “anti” any group, yesterday’s post states that Brian Houston has never at any point promoted gay conversion therapy. Ben: This has become a problem for people who have benefitted from Hillsong’s support. Ben: I'm looking at Selena Gomez’s Instagram account right now. The transcript has been edited from our original script for clarity. I passed the church where Hillsong has their [service.] They almost look like they’re filming a music video. So I don't think that's going anywhere. So this to me this looks a little bit like backstage at a tech conference or something. Most notable was the session from “The Catholic guy” Bruce Downs, who has used Hillsong’s resource to revitalize the Catholic church in Perth, on Australia’s West Coast. They could have at this point and people are flocking to it. But I want to start by asking you to watch this video. Brandy: Thanks! France They’re like, you’re the guy so if we can get you indoctrinated quick enough we’re gonna make you the spokesman. That's what sounds great. Amory: So we’ve heard the ways in which Hillsong is reimagining what church can look and sound like. The surroundings are super modern, the lighting is super night-club-ish. 1:30 AM: Andre : 2:00 AM: Hillsong Church Special Guests Friends of Hillsong share messages of faith. Policies Ben: And as Sydney, Australia has become more of a globally recognized metropolis, the Houston’s family church has also grown. Amory: Okay, we’re looking at a bunch of dudes on a couch together. Hillsong Church is opposed to racism, and we believe black lives matter. Hillsong Conference Media Amory: Invest in the Hillsong conference, and your return on investment, will be supernatural. NEW ALBUM "BECAUSE HE LIVES" IS NOW AVAILABLE ON Apple Music, SPOTIFY, AND MORE! And rock star pastors, that in their public profiles, look a lot like those celebrities and pop stars. History. And as a non-straight person, to kind of phrase it like that, like, “We'll let gay people into our church but we're not going to like make them feel that it's OK to be gay,” that was really problematic to me. Amory: That’s no longer true. Heads up that some elements (i.e. Championing the cause of local churches everywhere. That's God. Australia’s a free country and there’s nothing more fundamental in this country than the freedom of belief. The Corps THE CORPS The Corps Leadership. We all chose to let’s go invest in this. And it says light, space, zest. Where fans go to talk about the music, and sometimes to talk about the gossip surrounding the music. Brandy: So he told his mother about this in the 70s and, you know, she said don't challenge the church leaders. Ben: This is especially chilling since, according to some of the victims of Frank’s alleged abuse, the church has never truly answered for it or been truly held accountable by the authorities in Australia. What We Believe Colour Sisterhood We believe in people – we believe in their potential and also in their incredible ability to influence the world with good. But that was very telling to me and that was almost like, revealing themselves! You really do have to take a seat sort of at the back of the bus in order to worship there. Switzerland Amory: A few years ago, one of the accounts Kiki follows got something right. And I was like, "What is this? Championing the cause of localchurches everywhere. Ben: And what is weird to me, or a little weird, is that both of these guys being interviewed, when I first saw them, I thought they were just part of Bieber’s entourage, these guys on either side of him. They’re all very chill. Because I think it encapsulates our reasons for tackling this particular episode. But then you'll see like a string of correct predictions and then you're like, “Oh shit, this is an insider.”. It was really fun and people were really nice. Our only and burning passion is to build the church and the kingdom of God on earth, and see the people of our day-to-day being freed to fulfil their purpose and calling. Ben: Brandy points out that nobody in the church brought the allegations to the authorities, including Brian Houston who is now reportedly under investigation. They're like royalty. Hillsong founder Brian Houston announces investigation after NYC pastor Carl Lentz’s firing ‘We are launching an independent investigation into the inner workings of Hillsong NYC/ East Coast. Hillsong church founder Brian Houston claimed that fired celebrity pastor Carl Lentz actually had "more than one" extramarital affair, according to an audio recording obtained by Page Six. Now, Carl has now sort of said, “Well it's just like any other sin and I don't really feel like talking about it. So again, a basis for the religion is hell, is punishment for sins. Again, these are my people. This would include celebrities. Part of this came out in a Royal Commission report in Australia in 2015. Spain And they believe, and they preach openly and actively that being gay is a sin. Amory: The website Church Watch Central, has a post detailing the allegations against Frank Houston paired with audio of a sermon he supposedly gave in 2004. Brandy: Sure. Ben: You're talking about being at this service with Carl Lentz, the New York City pastor. Members of the church started supporting him because he identified himself as a Christian and a virgin. Ben: Do you think that the goldfish thing was a play on Jesus Fish? Amory, say it with me... Amory: I’m Amory Sivertson, and you’re listening to Endless Thread. Alive with biblical truth made relevant to kids through song. CBS This Morning: Every week in 12 countries, 75,000 faithful fill Hillsong churches. Italy Join USCC. Kiki: They say they're “gay accepting,” but not “gay affirming” and they say being gay is a lifestyle. Apps I'm from New York and I'm a reporter at NBC News. Here's a few samples: Frank Houston: What a fantastic young fella he is. Contact, Events Amory: You said you grew up in a Southern Baptist Church. They're just constantly flexing, private jets and crazy holidays and designer clothing, which is yet another way that they sell that image of “cool church.” Like if you're pastors wearing Gucci you're like, “Oh that's really cool.”. There were a lot of sluggish hipsters for sure. And that is true. By the late 90s those allegations had come to Brian himself. They're they're not trying to accommodate the culture, they're trying to change it! Oh and Jesus. Ben: We didn’t really know much about Hillsong until we found a Reddit post with a title that is also the title of today’s episode. Good Morning America: We are excited about this one. And Kiki stays up on all the latest goss by following insider accounts. And at the time I really loved Kanye West. There are three guys. Netherlands And in my religion and in Southern Baptist we believed that pop music and all of that stuff was sort of the devil, that everything should be all about Jesus all the time. I’m 8 too. Kiki: When artists like Selena and Justin are successful it gives them the opportunity to talk about Hillsong and kind of signal their faith and make it more their beliefs more mainstream. Brian Houston: I can’t unwrite the bible. Like what are we looking at? West Point, New York — More than 70 cadets training at the U.S. Military Academy to be Army officers have been accused of cheating on a math exam taken online when they were studying remotely because of . Amory: And this is a problem for people like Kiki who think that this cool church vibe belies Hillsong’s real belief structure and its history with sexual assault. He built up his preaching skill set, started a church, started finding some success. Their first live worship CD The Power of Your Love was released in 1992. He spends his spare time at the beach, is a die hard Manchester United fan, … ABC Reporter: If a gay couple came to Hillsong, would you want them to change? In a way that has some people comparing it to Scientology. And he said the abuse went on for several years until he hit puberty. Amory: With the continued support of people like Justin Bieber, it seems like Brandy’s right. Amory: Kiki is very active in the Pop Heads community. Here he is on 60 Minutes Australia: Brett Sengstock (from video): I could not speak, I couldn't scream, I couldn't push back, and I couldn't breathe. And like it's not a very aggressive place. You know, a bunch of leather-clad parishioners and ushers waved you in with a hearty, “Welcome to church!” And there were goldfish crackers and, you know, this is the best part of church, is the people in it. He's talking about a group of people from the Bible, the Nicolaitans? Especially for a religion like this that is so authoritative, it's always helpful to put a rocking beat to it. But on the other hand, we’re not a church that can just make big blanket sweeping statements that dismiss people. Ben: The church only has about 100 thousand members, a number that sounds big but is pretty small compared with a lot of religious groups. And our return has been supernatural. The celebrity affiliation does something else. Portugal They opened in Brisbane’s CBD in April and were founded in Australia in 1983. The story goes like this, Hillsong’s grandfather of sorts was a man named Frank Houston. NASHVILLE, Tenn.-NewSong's blockbuster Winter Jam Tour Spectacular prepares to head West again this fall, headlined for the first time by groundbreaking Australian worshippers Hillsong UNITED.Kicking-off November 6 at Albuquerque, New Mexico's Santa Ana Star Center, Winter Jam West will feature 10 of Christian music's top artists … At one point, he pulled out a notepad and pen and was seen jotting down notes. But it has a big reach. Those are my favorite parts. Jesus is doing in our world, and how we outwork that Ben: Gotta spend money to make money, right? Brandy: I have no idea. I mean, nobody wants to go and read from a Bible that says fire and brimstone and terror. I think it's totally possible that they are pure hearted and believe this. I mean, I know that religion will always be with us we'll always need a reason to explain why things happen or something to believe in. And an estimated 50 million people sing their songs in church every Sunday. Brandy: Hillsong would have, to my church, been seen as unbiblical. The leader of megachurch Hillsong has apologized — but will congregants forgive him? And, it has in recent years managed to raise close to 100 million dollars. So who are Hillsong and what is this?”. This needs to f---ing stop. Those stringy metal necklaces. However, Frank Houston, (founder of Hillsong church), was heavily influenced by the Latter Rain cult teacher, William Branham, while he was in New Zealand and implemented the NOLR New Apostolic structure in the AOG denominations.NAR Apostle David Cartledge wrote how this ‘New Move’ was synonymous with the Charismatic Renewal Movement (CRM), Frank Houston considered one of … Justin Bieber (in video): I just enjoy seeing people worship, praising God. Kiki: It's basically a rock concert on Sunday and you can see Justin Bieber in the audience. Two of these guys I didn’t recognize and one I’m not too too old to recognize: Justin Bieber. It was Sunday so a lot of people seemed, like, mildly hungover. And they, in the 80s, went off and started their own church and they called it Hills Christian Life Center. Ben: The show featuring stories found in the vast ecosystem of online communities called Reddit. Student Excellence. Amory: And that figure is from the church itself, from an annual report. Eventually, he made it to Australia and started a family in the 1970s. Ben: After initially being excited by the support, Sebastian said that he couldn’t get behind the way the church treated people who were gay. Her Reddit post is heavily researched, with footnotes, links, separate sections on the church's beliefs, music, fundraising, scandals. Ben: Yep. Hillsong Teaching With Phil Dooley : 12:30 AM: Worship by Hillsong Worship music with Hillsong Church. Amory: It’s hard to calculate an exact dollar amount, but the latest album we mentioned, the one that debuted at #2 on the Billboard Top 200 charts, sold more than 100,000 units in its first week and was the top-selling album in the US across all genres. He took out a pension until the day he died and he got to die without ever having publicly atoned for the sins that he allegedly made against these boys. Kiki: Supposedly Post Malone, who’s a rapper...rapper’s a strong word for him...a hit maker. She was calling out actor Chris Pratt, who has attended Hillsong services. And so, you know, you can't change that. So there’s a lot of people investing in different things. Kiki: Hillsong has this image of being a trendy and progressive, Instagram church! Amory: Yeah. Amory: How did you first get interested in Hillsong? So that's put them in sort of a pickle because they want to be progressive and woo the millennials. Amory: Beliefs that feel incongruous with leather-jacket-donning hipster pastors. 2:30 AM They mention Hillsong for her. Ben: But our Redditor Kiki says that the way Hillsong has embedded itself in pop music goes beyond even chart-topping albums. And that business is incredibly lucrative! 362 likes. 10 million people follow Hillsong on social media, including Justin Bieber. Hillsong’s history of LGBTQ intolerance and its sex scandals have been covered by a few reporters here in the U.S. Denmark Brian & Bobbie Hillsong is an Australian megachurch famous for its hipster vibe, multi-platinum house band, and connections to celebrities like Justin Bieber, Chris Pratt, and Kevin Durant. Global Senior Pastors of Hillsong Church. Kiki: You'll notice if you read Selena Gomez profiles about faith, she doesn't really mention Hillsong. Brigade Tactical Department. But the less famous guys rolling around on the couch here are not part of Justin’s entourage, they’re not pop stars. Amory: We’re coming to you from WBUR, Boston’s NPR station. Ben: We’re going to get to all of that in a minute. Amory: So how does Hillsong dance around this? We have opportunities throughout our church so you can find a place and role to fit your specific gifts, talents and interests. Brandy: My pleasure. Ben: If sidestepping a question was an olympic sport, Brian Houston would be in contention for gold. Racism must stop, and my prayer is that this moment in history will be a moment of lasting equality, transformation and change. Brandy: I don't know actually, but I think it was like a communion thing. One of Hillsong’s biggest churches is in Mt Gravatt, where they have a congregation of 6000. Amory: The reason that this figure sounds plausible to Kiki is that Hillsong engages in tithing, asking parishioners to donate 10 percent of their income to the church. Brian Houston defends Hillsong church after campus is given a Covid health alert Sat 02 Jan 2021 by Cara Bentley The Australian health service in the state of New South Wales, where the megachurch Hillsong is based, has issued a Covid alert to anyone who visited the campus for 45 minutes on Tuesday. Like they’re wearing famous hip person outfits. Kiki: When I was in London, I was staying at an AirBnb.
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